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The system not only requires the player to have an unlimited bankroll, it also requires the casino to have unlimited solvency so it can keep paying off possible wins as the stakes increase. Roulette is a game of pure chance - there is no skill - every number has an equal chance of coming up but the payouts are made at under the odds. Added for the obvious: an article shouldn't be calling anyone 'foolish', etc. I removed this with a reason in the edit summary, but User:Objective undid it without one "revert". I don't think so, the chances of you losing 6 times in a row are exactly the same in the first spins as they are spins later, that is Supaman89 talk , 5 May UTC. It would have similar risks and would risk the catastrophic failure point quicker, but adds the possibility of reward rather than just breaking even. I believe that this betting strategy is a sure method of not losing money and possibly winning money, just not very much relative to what you've already got. There is a "mergeinto" template for that purpose. But does the strategy really require that the gambler has an infinite wealth? The correct way to show the expected payoff of a martingale involves combinatorics and the series of corresponding payoffs and probabilities. On an unrelated note, does anyone know the origin of the term "martingale", and how it's related to this betting system? It is comparing a loss per round with a loss per roll and indicating that there is a difference in the edge. As an example, note tha the current formula shows the correct payoff if there are consistent losses on all x plays, but does not show the correct payoff if there are consistent gains on all x plays. It's still stupid to bet against the house, of course, but the odds do not become so decisive to the house's advantage, of course until you make lots of bets. Martingale works. Or just link me some site with explanation how to count it. Oh well. There is a horror story, then you must recoup your losses. No: With lots of small bets, you will over time approach closer and closer to an outcome reflecting the real odds which of course are against you. I had not heard of the name of the theory, only the method of essentially doubling one's bet upon sequential losses. I would easily try this out once as soon as I have a companion that could lend me any amount of money for a very short period of time without interest. The zero, very deadly. This reasoning, "intuitive" though it might be, is actually incorrect unless the stopping time has finite expectation. As of February , "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} I was wondering if there is a modified martingale system that would let you gain on a bet by more than doubling the new bet after a failed bet. I acctually thought of this theory without any help when i was 12 years old, was planning on trying it out today then looked it up and it seems to be v well known. Out of the bracket, a quick buck. Am I really an idiot then? We should also show a graph that illustrates the Martingale payoff. That is why we have the conditions in the optional stopping theorems ā€” we need a finite lifetime and a limit on bets. Thank you very much. Objective talk , 18 April UTC. Since in such games of chance the bets are independent, the expectation of all bets is going to be the same, regardless of whether you previously won or lost. I think the math in that section is incorrect, indeed, betting for one colour either red or black gives you a I myself have tried spinning the roulette times and more, and if those calculations stated above were true, I would have a Besides if those calculations were correct, and the chances of losing 6 times in a row increased by the number of spins I play, what would happen if I stopped every once in a while and started from 0 all over again? For that to be true e. It is proposed to merge this "with" martingale probability theory. The example is misleading. This seems pretty POV to me.. Could someone explain me how to get the value for probability of 6 concesutive losses within e. In the introduction of the article it says the gambler's expected value does indeed remain zero But I think the expected value of the stopped martingale the martingale stopped at the stopping time defining the martingale strategy is not zero but one. So the given calculations do not look right. I found this article in searching this exact topic. If you were able to give me some general formula for it I would be very thankful. In most casino games, the expected value of any individual bet is negative, so the sum of lots of negative numbers is also always going to be negative. Luckily, the series can be reduced to a closed-form solution. There are basically two main factors in determing how much you'll win. Martingale makes no difference to edge. Anyway, why is everyone using examples of loosing 6 times in a row. Shreevatsa talk , 16 November UTC. Now i havn't thought about this alot but the only reason i can think for not doing this is you will be winning tiny stakes :S. It would be more plausible to merge this into that article. It claims that the expected profit is The formula only assumes that the player wins once and stops playing. NO method works. I made the following changes:. In practice casinos couldnt care less about Martingale or any other theory. I was thinking about the same thing; I think that if one did indeed have infinite available cash and no table cap you could always be 'up' if following a martingale strategy. It's my first logged-in Wikipedia edit, and a bit of an experiment to see if I can do it right. It's unlikely that you'll lose any money by withdrawing it at profit at some point if you have a lot of money and play with smaller bets. Here's a more detailed explanation. Is there any reason why this should not be merged into the main Martingale article? This is just stupid absolutistic idealistic analysis of a situation where you play for an infinite amount of time. You see there are 36 possible combinations of dice, 17 of which win you money and 19 of which where you lose money. I have just added some new text, probably too wordy, under "mathematical analysis". I would pay him back everything within a minute or soā€”guaranteed. My goal was to provide a more mathematical discussion of the "certain to win eventually" property at a reasonably elementary level, and to show its inapplicability to the real world in a different light than just negative expectation under bounds on time or money which is also true, of course. You don't need complicated stat equations to prove to yourself that this does indeed work. Let's remove this misleading reasoning, please. I'd keep it as is. Well, duh, Einstein, how is that possible in real life? I think there is some duplication of material already present in the article, but I preferred not to change anything written by others at my current level of experience. Also, when you play the casino, expect there to be a straight that WILL wipe you out. I'm not sure of exactly how the Wikipedia stands on howtos Question: who invented the Martingale system, and when? This is one of the best betting strategies on roulette and works pretty good if you find a high limit table somewhere.. I have just added archive links to one external link on Martingale betting system. For something to have advantage, there must be risks. Is this encyclopedic? {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}I am confused and would appreciate any insight into how a game like blackjack, where sometimes the odds pay more than affect this system? I agree that the analysis is completely incorrect - so incorrect that it should be removed until it is re-written correctly. Of course, given unlimited time and limited money you will mathematically still eventually lose everything. Please take a moment to review my edit. That's five billion dollars. Sure you could get a very unlucky streak but the odds are in your favor to win. I found it hard to deduce some formula on my own. It's risk free for him and it's risk free for meā€”and yet I know I will win the amount I want. However I can't prove that this is true mathematically, is anyone here an expert who can tell me if I'm wrong? Would it make sense to add a bit here about Nick Leeson , who destroyed the Barings' Bank with what was in effect a martingale series of bets of the Nikkei index? Eventually you will get blackjack, which pays which should increase the winning chances right? Had it been merged with the other topic, I likely would not have found it, much less realized the correlation between the two. Gambling is by definition not risk-free. Someone might be interested in correcting what appears on the Roulette article. Like warning to some gambling addicts that this will not work. Since expectation is linear, the expected value of a series of bets is just the sum of the expected value of each bet. The math here still looks incorrect.